[sinod] Thanks to all contributors
Ingmar Kurg
ingmar.kurg at gmail.com
Fri Apr 1 11:38:39 UTC 2022
Deo gratias!
Kontakt Luc Saffre (<luc at saffre-rumma.net>) kirjutas kuupäeval R, 1. aprill
2022 kell 14:22:
> Dear contributors,
>
> yesterday at 20:21 I submitted the final version (v18.pdf
> <https://hw.saffre-rumma.net/dl/2022/talgud/v18.pdf>) of our report to
> the official sinoditiim
> <https://hw.saffre-rumma.net/sc/talgud/about/#term-sinoditiim>.
>
> The *responsible authors* are Luc Saffre, Stiiv Knowers, Ingmar Kurg
> and Annely Neame. And 10 “contributors” agreed to be named: Matthias
> Burghardt, Jürgen Hein, Toomas Jürgenstein, Kadri Kesküla, Kaimo Klement,
> Aleksander Koppel, Ivo Kruusamägi, Jaan Lahe, Samuel Maikalu and William
> Straus.
>
> Already on Wednesday I had asked the sinoditalgutiim
> <https://hw.saffre-rumma.net/sc/talgud/about/#term-sinoditalgutiim>
> whether they support the report by disclosing their names to the public.
> And yesterday morning at least 20 other friends dropped into my mind who
> actually had *indirectly* contributed to this document. I invited them to
> read the report as well and whether they would agree to be named publicly.
> Because every human who dares to publish their name increases the
> probability that our report reaches Rome.
>
> Some of them didn’t get my message, some had no time to read a 10 pages
> report, some read it and even found it very interesting, but didn’t feel
> like commenting on it, and some decided to support it by having their name
> published. And these people all “love the Church as she is, despite all
> justified criticism, and want to help her on her synodal journey of seeking
> what is good and true.”
>
> I am especially glad that the list even contains two atheists.
>
> An important job is done! Thanks to all the people named above, but also
> to all those who prefer to remain “incognito”.
>
> This project took me a lot of time and energy, but I also learned a lot.
> Just to give an example of the things we learned together, here is what I
> wrote to Ingmar and Stiiv after the third meeting:
>
> Enne magamaminekut panen veel kirja; See oli täna ikka ajalooline päriselu
> lugu: Luc ja Ingmar arutlevad sinodirapordi üle. Seal oli lause “The Bible
> isn’t perfect and it says so itself.” Ingmarile see ei meeldinud. Lucile
> aga meeldis. Arutlevad tükk aega. Ingmar ähvardas “Kui see lause jääb, siis
> ma alla ei kirjuta!” Hiljemalt selt hetkel oleks Luc ju võinud taibata, et
> lause läheb minema, see pole ju Luci kiri paavstile, vaid eestlaste kiri.
> Mis ta üldse nii pikalt vaidleb. Aga selle asemel klapib ta oma arvuti
> kinni ja tõuseb püsti. Et see nii teatraalselt mõjus, üllatas teda ise. Ta
> tegelikult oli ainult mõelnud, et nüüd on õige hetk väikese pausi jaoks.
> Aga mõjus. Ingmar tõuseb ka ja hakkab oma arvuti pakkima. Nüüd sai Luc aru,
> et võiks hakkata hoog maha võtma. Siis sai ta aru, et Ingmar tegelikult ei
> pannud oma arvuti kokku vaid võttis hoopis toitejuhe kotist välja. Tükk
> aega vaikus. Siis istusid mõlemad maja ja talgud läksid edasi. Stiiv istus
> kogu selle aja jooksul vaikselt nagu hiir. Luc võttis nüüd lõpuks oma
> armastatud lause maha. Pani “The Bible needs explanation” selle asamel. Ja
> hiljem sai aru, et see on seal isegi veel ilusam.
>
> I have no idea how much of our work will reach Rome. The sinoditiim
> <https://hw.saffre-rumma.net/sc/talgud/about/#term-sinoditiim> will now
> read all the reports that have been submitted during the consultation
> phase in Estonia <https://sinod.katoliku.ee/en/2/> and then synthesize
> them into a single 10 pages document. This will be fun. But I am not
> worried for the Pope. He will manage without us. Our work has already
> yielded so much spiritual result among those who contributed.
>
> The discernment phase will be fun because already now it is clear that our
> report is not representative for everybody in Estonia. One undisclosed
> contributor explained why he cannot yet support the document:
>
> Hei. Lugesin ja mõtlesin. Kui ratsionaalselt vaatan, siis on palju asju,
> millega tulen kaasa.
>
> Küll oli mul raske võtta omaks “Suggestion: Step 4 - political role”
> punkte. Praegusel kujul on need mulle liiga ühepoolsed. Raha ja tööstus
> võivad olla ka inimese sõbrad ja teha maailmale palju head. Erasektor ei
> ole alati paha ja riik ei ole alati hea. Tihti on vastupidi.
>
> Samuti mulle näib, et Eesti inimene on küll ratsionaalne ja põhjamaine.
> Aga ta vajab väga suuresti ka “müsteeriumit”, mis on meie usu kese. Meie
> usu kese on Kristus ehk euharistia - paradoks, mis on mõistusega
> seletamatu. Seda saab ainult uskuda ja ise usus kogeda.
>
> Me peame rääkima kiriku õpetusest lihtsas keeles. Aga me ei tohi kaotada
> oma müsteeriumit, oma salapära, sest selles avaldub tegelikult tõde.
>
> Another undisclosed contributor answered with a comic of two pictures:
>
> -
>
> Christian rebellion in 1990: Son with sunglasses to dad with tie: No,
> Dad! I’m going to the cool church where they play electric guitar and wear
> shorts! Btw I’m getting rebaptized.
> -
>
> Christian rebellion today: Son with tie to dad with sunglasses: No,
> Dad. I’m returning our bloodline to the faith traditions that were observed
> and cherished by our ancestors – traditions your once abandoned in the
> fruitless endeavour to make the Gospel palatable to the unspiritual masses.
> Btw TobyMac is cringe.
>
> The work job of the sinoditalgutiim
> <https://hw.saffre-rumma.net/sc/talgud/about/#term-sinoditalgutiim> is
> done, but as you can see, there is more work to do. We are not yet there.
> Pray for us!
>
> Luc
>
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